Comments on Medison Celebrity: Scam or just a bad idea?: ... and then 2co spoke!

become the world's biggest supplier of laptops in ...

2007-08-30T19:41:00.000+02:00

become the world's biggest supplier of laptops in no time

Becoming the worlds biggest anything is harder than you seem to think.

If this is indeed what Valdi is dreaming about, it will remain just that: a dream.

Successful businessmen have goals, not dreams.

Tommy, what did Clevo do in 2006?Clevo got their o...

2007-08-30T09:16:00.000+02:00

Tommy, what did Clevo do in 2006?

Clevo got their only ever FCC approvals a couple of months ago.

It appears like Sager is relying on those approvals.

Clevo is the only known potential ODM supplier for Medison.

Most likely Clevo don't want to waste time with customers who can't commit to a serious quantity and Valdi tried to establish it by doing this silly stunt act online. The Apple store story is probably also part of his ridiculous attempts in trying to be someone serious.

Valdi was assuming Clevo would provide laptops but his general inability to finish whatever he starts made Clevo walk away.

And the reason why Valdi showed an old Clevo is that Clevo didn't allow him to go public with a product not released and he chose to show an older product. Possibly he used photos of his only sample for the web site.

It's extremely obvious that there has not been much calculation behind setting the price at US$150. If Valdi could really deliver, he would possibly become the world's biggest supplier of laptops in no time, if he could sell it even at twice the price.

Except that the whole story with the Clevo-compute...

2007-08-30T00:21:00.000+02:00

Except that the whole story with the Clevo-computer started the summer of 2006 and in a completely other way.

Tommy, yes but it's not uncommon to do one board l...

2007-08-30T00:00:00.000+02:00

Tommy, yes but it's not uncommon to do one board layout and simply exclude components not needed for a low cost model.

Still...the mystery what Clevo is up to with going solo to FCC and the launch timing that coincides with Medison's announced launch date makes me think that this is in fact the very laptop Valdi was hoping to sell.

Clevo might in various ways trying to get their products to the market at lowest possible cost. By having the approvals they are allowed to sell direct to customers. Valdi is just one of the less elegant attempts...perhaps.

My guess on that is that they have or will have a ...

2007-08-29T21:44:00.000+02:00

My guess on that is that they have or will have a partnership with a cellphone operator to bundle the computer with services, since this computer has an option for internal 3.5G communication.
And it doedn't matter how low the specifications can go, it's the design of the system and systemboard itself that is expensive on such a model.

Tommy, I absolutely agree that US$150 is totally r...

2007-08-29T21:35:00.000+02:00

Tommy, I absolutely agree that US$150 is totally ridiculous for a laptop with the specs from Medison's web site.

However, if you read the specs on the FCC web site in the user manual carefully, you can see it can be delivered with lower specs than the Sager one. Sager has:

1. Vista included.
2. Higher clock speed (1.73GHz)
3. 512MB RAM.
4. Camera included.
5. More expensive coating.

But US$150...that's still a joke of course.

But again, Clevo seeking FCC approval directly is something they never did before in their company's history.

Peter:Valdi him self said on their press conferenc...

2007-08-29T21:15:00.000+02:00

Peter:

Valdi him self said on their press conference that the computer that the customers will receive is the exact same model as the one specified on medison's site and that they showed on the press conference.
And no, that computer is NOT cheaper to build. One of Clevo's partners, Sager Notebooks, seems to sell it for US$699.
Clevo's page:
http://www.clevo.com.tw/products/M72S.asp
Sager's page:
http://www.sagernotebook.com/product_customed.php?pid=829

Valdi is an insane dreamer, but one thing that occ...

2007-08-29T20:53:00.000+02:00

Valdi is an insane dreamer, but one thing that occurs to me is that everything wouldn't make sense if he didn't actually have someone behind the curtain he was trying to make a deal with.

It is in of course possible that Valdi has approached Clevo and asked them to supply their newest laptop for $75 so he can sell it for $150. That still doesn't make it possible.

Since Valdi has sent out shipping notices, we should be days away from knowing what was shipped. Bricks or Clevos or nothing at all.

Medison Celebrity is an anagram forIncredible, Yes...

2007-08-29T20:14:00.000+02:00

Medison Celebrity is an anagram for

Incredible, Yes Tom

cclo, Yes, exactly, Clevo is an ODM supplier and i...

2007-08-29T20:11:00.000+02:00

cclo, Yes, exactly, Clevo is an ODM supplier and it's their first time to ON THEIR OWN seek FCC approval.
Tommy, I agree the M72S on FCC's site is not exactly the same computer. On the other hand, the one shown on Medison's web site is already an obsolete design. The screen size of this new one is however smaller and that usually means lower screen cost, less plastic, cheaper battery (less capacity needed) etc. Yes, Sony and some other brands have indeed charged premium for very feature rich compact laptops, but don't get fooled by that.

Again, this is simply the FIRST time Clevo goes directly to FCC for getting anything approved and TIMING is around NOW for a launch.

Coincidence? Maybe...

Valdi is an insane dreamer, but one thing that occurs to me is that everything wouldn't make sense if he didn't actually have someone behind the curtain he was trying to make a deal with.

If Valdi was just into a pure scam he wouldn't go public and he also wouldn't get a laptop from Clevo for evaluation (that he apparently forgot to pay for).

So the M72S project might have something to do with it. It will be interesting to see where and how much the lowest end 1.46GHz 256MB Ram model will be sold for.

Personally I think US$150 is still unrealistically low and I don't believe Medison actually have an agreement in place with any vendor.

On the other hand, the Unitedkeys concept is not completely insane and I'm pretty darn sure the guy must have met with several vendors including laptop vendors.

Anybody knows anything about when that new Clevo laptop will be in retail, where it's available and for how much?

To Peter:Clevo is an ODM (original design manufact...

2007-08-29T16:53:00.000+02:00

To Peter:

Clevo is an ODM (original design manufacture). They sell most of their products to other laptop companies but not to end users. I guess it's the responsibility of those companies (which re-brand and sell clevo's laptops) to get FCC's approvals. Check Sager for example.

I was responding to this statement: "But whe funds...

2007-08-29T16:42:00.000+02:00

I was responding to this statement: "But whe funds are on hold, some bank somewhere still holds them. So it's Medison working together with 2CO to benefit the banks of thousands of random buyers!"

I didn't realize I needed to do a comprehensive explanation for credit vs debit cards...

"I suppose, if you are dumb enough to use a bank c...

2007-08-29T16:10:00.000+02:00

"I suppose, if you are dumb enough to use a bank card.

With a credit card, all it does is deduct money from your available credit, which actually prevents you from spending more money, therefore actually saving you money."

That's the worst explanation of a credit vs debit card I've ever seen.

Zebulus, stop posting random link to the ToS and v...

2007-08-29T16:03:00.000+02:00

Zebulus, stop posting random link to the ToS and various regulations and state your claim specifically.

You're spreading just FUD right now. And it's ridiculous this project needs manufactured FUD with all the problems around it.

I suppose, if you are dumb enough to use a bank ca...

2007-08-29T16:00:00.000+02:00

I suppose, if you are dumb enough to use a bank card.

With a credit card, all it does is deduct money from your available credit, which actually prevents you from spending more money, therefore actually saving you money.

"Yes, except the money is never released to 2co. I...

2007-08-29T15:58:00.001+02:00

"Yes, except the money is never released to 2co. It's only a hold on the funds, that will be released after a period of time, unless the transaction is completed."

But whe funds are on hold, some bank somewhere still holds them. So it's Medison working together with 2CO to benefit the banks of thousands of random buyers!

Damn it, I knew it this would be huge

Zebulus,What is the violation specifically?

2007-08-29T15:58:00.000+02:00

Zebulus,

What is the violation specifically?

Check it out!http://tinyurl.com/2n9p3g2CO resides ...

2007-08-29T15:44:00.000+02:00

Check it out!

http://tinyurl.com/2n9p3g

2CO resides state-side! So they have to submit to US business regulations, which they have violated.

Lets take them down!

Yes, except the money is never released to 2co. It...

2007-08-29T15:41:00.000+02:00

Yes, except the money is never released to 2co. It's only a hold on the funds, that will be released after a period of time, unless the transaction is completed.

I think it shouldnt be legal for 2CO to accept and...

2007-08-29T14:38:00.000+02:00

I think it shouldnt be legal for 2CO to accept and hold money that they know will be more than likely refunded.

I mean, what type of business is that. What if Dell said,

BUY OUR COMPUTERS! We cant guarantee that you will ever get a computer, but if you dont, we will refund you.

??? Do you see what i am saying?

Plus, they could be making money off of that money with the interest, depending on how long it sits in their bank accounts.

"Valdi Ivancic lives in Brazil, the Medison Europe...

2007-08-29T14:22:00.000+02:00

"Valdi Ivancic lives in Brazil, the Medison Europe company is registered in the UK and according to Ivancic the assembly plants are in Brazil... so who's selling laptops in Sweden?"

Does anyone know what happened to Valdi´s eventually tourism-job in Blekinge...?! He maybe is on his way back to Sweden...?

Valdi Ivancic lives in Brazil, the Medison Europe ...

2007-08-29T12:57:00.000+02:00

Valdi Ivancic lives in Brazil, the Medison Europe company is registered in the UK and according to Ivancic the assembly plants are in Brazil... so who's selling laptops in Sweden?

Good point.

Anyway, what I intended to convey is that US FCC regulations do not apply in this case. Correct me if I'm wrong. I live in Germany, where importers in such a case put a disclaimer on their web page stating that the product is not certified and may not be operated here. However, that's German companies selling imported, uncertified goods in Germany.

I doubt that Medison has to certify their product anywhere else than where they are based -- which legally speaking is UK, I suppose. But if you know better, let us know.

While we're at it, drop the Santa sarcasm, and sar...

2007-08-29T12:54:00.000+02:00

While we're at it, drop the Santa sarcasm, and sarcasm in general. It's boring me.

Facts are much more interesting, but even if there are no facts, silcence is less boring than sarcasm.

Twice so Santa sarcasm, and aliens sarcasm.

Can we just drop this discussion about the data fo...

2007-08-29T12:47:00.000+02:00

Can we just drop this discussion about the data found at FCC? The computer there is a MobiNote M72S that has NOTHING in common with the M540 that the computer on medison's site are based on. Oh, maybe the CPU-speed, but nothing else. The M72S is a expensive ultra-portable computer and has nothing to do with this.

I doubt that anyone selling laptops in SwedenValdi...

2007-08-29T11:41:00.000+02:00

I doubt that anyone selling laptops in Sweden

Valdi Ivancic lives in Brazil, the Medison Europe company is registered in the UK and according to Ivancic the assembly plants are in Brazil... so who's selling laptops in Sweden?